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The following is a guest post by Rick from Invest In 2012. Enjoy!Â
I’m not much of a passive investor myself, as I like to get in and out of markets within just a few weeks. But with all due respect, I do know some people who are wealthy and are also passive investors. So, taking their opinions into consideration, here’s my case against passive investing.
As a trader, passive investing is unappealing to me in two ways.
1) Your portfolio rises and falls with the markets. Naturally, I want every single one of my trades to be profitable, so I can’t stand following the market’s ebbs and flows.
2) Patience has never been a big virtue of mine. I might be able to wait up to a year for the right opportunity to come along, but no more than that. I can’t just watch my portfolio sink 30% in one year. I feel like I have to do something about it.
But a lot of people are passive investors because they simply don’t have the time to invest actively. Fine. But still, I don’t think passive investing is very effective. Here are it’s flaws.
Advocates of passive investing often cite the “over 40 years, the stock market moves up”. That sounds great, but if you think about it, who can hold on to an asset for 40 years? Even 30 years seems like a stretch. Most passive investors and mom and pop investors don’t hold for 50 years; they hold for 10 at most. The reason why markets fall and rise in extreme volatility is because it’s very painful to hold onto a stock for 10 years and not realize any gains, so passive investors are lulled into selling at market lows!
And even if passive investors do intend on holding a stock for 40 years, many of them simply can’t! While some people have the capacity to ride out an economic storm and buy on the dips, the majority of Americans can’t. The next time the recession hits, or the next time they’re out of a job: they have to make ends meet at home. Considering that the American savings rate is so low, the only way to rustle up some instant cash is to sell their equities portfolio! And as chance has it, you’re most likely to be out a job at the bottom of a recession, when (non-coincidentally), stocks are also at market lows. Talk about bad timing. Passive investing asks you to buy when the market dips. And when the market dips badly, unfortunately, most passive investors (who work at a job during the day) don’t have any cash to buy!
Also, stocks (just like everything else in this world) have cycles, usually lasting 15 years. Fifteen years of good times, and 15 years of bad times. So what happens if you get out of college, land a job, plan to start investing, but the beginning of a 15 year recession hits? You’d have to have the stomach to hang on during those 15 years and not see any profits! There’s going to be a lot of really scary market crashes, which is why the end of a market crash is usually signalled by the panicked selling by a lot of buy-and-holders (no offense to the buy-and-holders out there).
So let’s assume that you are a passive investor, and you’ve actually had the guts and the capability to sit back and hold on to your portfolio for 30 years. Now, you’re 57 years old, and close to retiring. All of a sudden, the country plunges into a recession, and BOOM, 50% of your retirement fund is wiped out in a flash. At your previous annual growth rate of 7%, how long would it take for your portfolio to climb back above pre-crisis levels (adjusted for inflation)? A long time. Hence, it is not surprising that soon-to-retire passive investors were among the hardest hit in the 2008/2009 financial crash. While the young guy still has 20 or 30 years to grow his retirement fund, the soon-to-retire guy doesn’t!
For every market winner, there’s a market loser. For every dollar made, there’s a dollar lost. Warren Buffett once said “If you don’t know who the fool in the game is, it’s probably you.” If a laid back, passive investor is making money, who’s the one that’s losing?
And above all, as a passive investor, your fate is in the hands of the market. You’ll be completely exposed to the ups and downs of the market.
How about you all? Do you follow a passive or active management style in your investing strategy? Why do you choose one method or the other?Â
Share your experiences by commenting below!
Jacob’s Thoughts – Listed below are my random thoughts as I was reading this article.
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I think if you are comfortable with the risks then that is a good method. I like to take certain risks but higher dividends helps bridge the gap for a down market.
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I think there are passive investors who hold a stock for 5- 10 years but are still in the game.
The other passive investors the ones that hold it longer are simply lazy, have fully forgotten about it altogether, fearful, believing that the stock that once was high but fell will go high again, or have just given up.
I don't even consider them traders, nor would I put them into the same category as people who enjoy trading.
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It’s a given that there are business cycles in the economy, so why not buy during a recession and sell during the boom? You might not be able to pick the exact top & bottom, but in the long run.
Extremely interesting take on passive investing. I can see where you are coming from, but like a few who have commented I prefer passive investing.
You nailed it when you said it is probably because most people do not have time to actively invest.
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I can see the logic, but I'm a lazy investor so passive works well for me. I'd much prefer to invest my money, walk away and have fun then come back sometime later to see how I'm going. Watching something closely wouldn't agree with me, I couldn't handle to volatility that often comes with short-term investments!
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Thanks for reading Shaun!
I've never really been a fan of passive investing. It's a given that there are business cycles in the economy, so why not buy during a recession and sell during the boom? You might not be able to pick the exact top & bottom, but in the long run, you'll make a lot more buying & selling, rather than buying & holding until retirement. Just my 2 cents… 🙂
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That's a good point Kyle. Like you eluded to, the problem is that no one can correctly predict when these recessions occur and when to buy and sell. Instead of buying and holding shares forever, the strategy that employ dictates maintaining a set asset allocation between fixed income and equity securities. So, what this means is that if the stock market falls, you'll have to buy more in order to maintain your asset allocation percentages.
If you don't have the time or the skill to be an active investor what option do you have other than passive investing? And capital gains on your investment are only part of the equation for many buy and hold investors. The dividends are often a much more compelling passive investing story.
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Thanks for reading Money Infant. One option that people could do is to hire a money manager to trade stocks for them. Or, they could follow advice in a newsletter. Of course, both of these strategies rarely beat the market, hence why I like passive investing.
“it's HIGHLY unlikely that an individual person (or even investing professional) will have the foresight to make money 100% of the time on their trades, or even a high enough percentage of the time to make enough to stay ahead of the market returns over long term periods. ”
That's not entirely true. There are a lot of individual investors (not fund managers) who consistently make great returns. But you don't hear about them much because they like to keep a low profile.